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Post by Ms. C on Sept 14, 2012 16:58:43 GMT -5
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Post by Crystal Ruiz on Sept 16, 2012 21:58:05 GMT -5
1. Janie Starks grew up in a period of time when racial discrimination and unfair treatment was still around. Her dialogue of her life presents the powerful affect that it is difficult to grow up without parents. Even though she is treated fairly by her neighbors, who happen to be white, she still receives judgement because of her black skin.
2. Hurston created a setting with a negative slur against black male society and her great confidence to go out into the world. This helps to fulfill the major purpose of the setting because she has Janie's character evolved in her own environment to relate to situations she faced in her hometown.
3. Nanny's motivation for Janie to marry was both pure and malevolent. My opinion in why it is pure is because Nanny wanted Janie to not go through the same struggles and suffrage as she went through life. All she ever wanted was for her granddaughter to live a great life and to have new opportunities. I believe it's also malevolent because she chose Janie's life style and she did not let her make her own decisions and to have the opportunity to find her own passions in life.
4. The first event that Janie has in her life that is parallel to this situation was when she is treated unfairly by the white folks around her because she was a black child. She was made fun of and had been shown hatred by the white folks even though she was raised living next to a white family. The second event happened to be when Logan tells her that it makes no difference if she was raised fairly with the white folks because he struggles and works hard trying to maintain her. He is aggravated with her because he believes that she does not appreciate what he has done for her but only care that she was raised by white folks taking consideration that she is black and her family history makes her who she is.
5. Janie's tone seems to have a prolonging to it because she wants to find a different life in the world she lives in. She seems to sound confused in some moments because she is unsure of what she wants for herself without thinking about what others want for her. She is also furious because she has to deal with harsh situations that don't have much meaning to them.
6. In my opinion, some elements for her prolonging could be her long days under the pear tree waiting for something wonderful to enter into her life. The tone of confusion could be when she accepts to marry someone she does not love and believes she will fall in love with him. Janie's frustration can be seen through her action of running away and giving herself a chance to a bright new beginning.
7. Joe happens to be Janie's bright new beginning. The one person who will give her hope to go and find her true passion in life. Her path to new opportunities.
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Post by Zack Ojinaga on Sept 16, 2012 23:30:13 GMT -5
1) Janie has dissapeared for quite a period of time with another man, and has returned with nothing but dirty overalls.According to her judgemental envious neghbors, Janie is rude, disrespectful, and a tart for running off with a man ten years younger than she. She's obviously beautiful and although dark skinned, respectable.
2) Hurston is possibly basing her writing off of real occurances in her life. Yet in her writing making a statement and using Janie to support it.
3)I truly believe Janie's grandmothers intentions are good and believable. Nanny desires the security her aging self can't produce, and a husband could. Janie has no one else to go to if her grandma dies, and her Nanny understands whats best.
4) Hurston did not intentioally write this book to insult black people. Yet the subtle differences between the non fictional and her stories occurances are in reality drastic. In reality blacks faced a more harsh lifestyle back then. In my opinion white people support this book because, where one was befriended and accepted, in reality blacks would be exiled. The "perfect" american reading what he wants too read.
5) When visiting Janie, Pheoby urges her for an explanation of her return. Asking for an explanation of where Tea Cake went and where her money has gone. The uneasy silence broken by Janie's answer proves how Pheoby is trusted by Janie and in opening up Janie provides the answer to her nosey questioning.
6) Janie is mournful to realize her choices are not always the best, leaving her unsure and uneasy. Her discussion with Pheoby is calm and awkward conversing consistently until questioned about something personal.
7) Throughout the beginning Janie seems uneasy and sad. Relieving the past Janie married Logan and in the future ran off with Tea Cake both ending the same way. Janie seems unsure of what she wants and and now looking back wasn't able to make her own choices without her Nanny's output.
8)Considering Joe's last name and Janie's future name, Joe is Janie's savior and a way into a lifestyle with a man who will let her live how she wants. In marrying her she will be free to make her own decisions which is a reaccuring aspect of the story.
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Post by berenicecontreras on Sept 17, 2012 20:24:13 GMT -5
@ Zack Ojinaga , I found your answers to be extremely interesting! I had a set output on the characters but your perspective really opened my mind up the characters actions. You answer about Janie being unsure is spot on and really changed my mind of the raits i had set on her. Well done  |
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Post by mayrapuente on Sept 17, 2012 21:09:00 GMT -5
Crystal,
I thought it was interesting that you said Nanny's motivation for Janie to marry was both pure and malevolent. I personally had said it was solely pure because Nanny was doing it for the good of Janie. Now that I think of it, I understand why you would say it is also malevolent because Nanny was compelling Janie to marry Logan for his wealth and status, and not because she was loved him.
Overall, nice job in answering the questions. You were very descriptive.
Good job!
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Post by john petree on Sept 17, 2012 21:11:53 GMT -5
1) what i got out of hearing janies neighbors gossiping, is that janie is not well liked, or maybe she is well liked and old ladys love to gossip about anyone, even their friends. but janie is thought to be a "cougar", which is when an older lady hooks up with a younger guy  and also, janie had a husband who died, and left her alot of money, and apparently the young guy she left off with took that money, which shows that janie might be prone to bad luck in her life. 2) hurston located janie in eatonville florida, and im not exactly confident i kown the exact setting of Their eyes were watching god, i mean, what year, i have recieved hints as to the time period, like abraham freeing the slaves and also a quote i read and cant remember where i saw it. but anyway, hurston set janie in a place where black men are supreme, and maybe hurston in her lifetime was janie, being second to her husband joe, being told what to do by joe. 3) nanny has a different perspective on love than janie, janie believes in hearts and flowers, love before marriage, gaining all her ideas from a peach or pair tree, cant remember. nannys perspective is that love comes after marriage, and that she wants janie to marry inorder for her to be looked after, protected, because nanny has seen alot in her many years, like the teacher who raped her daughter, and nanny wants janie to be with a man who will protect her, not neccesarily love her. 4) i find it shocking that white people were the ones to criticize this book in a good way, because nowadays everyone never lets the past go, like how disney turned a bad event into a movie called pocohantus. and so therefore i agree with the black critics, this book is going to contribute to the fire that keeps burning by the idea of division, of differences that keeps getting burned into everyones minds, therefore never letting the past go. im not sure if this answered the question, i wasnt to sure what it was asking. 5) im not to sure once again what this question is asking for, but here goes. in the book, we all read a quote, something like "black people keep bringing other black people down", thats not the actual quote but im to lazy to go looking for it. so black people harshly criticized a black author, this is a perfect example for that quote in the book if you all remember it. 6/7) in these chapters i kinda thought the tone to be a little somber, also with a little joy, such as in the peach or pear tree. i say somber because janie is being forced to go against her perspective on love and marry a man she does not love, also with the information we recieved of janies mum being raped by her teacher, thats somber. and joy, as in the begining when janie and her friend were catching up with each other and laughing, and another example i mentioned already was the tree, the tree represents janies idea of love, which brings good feelings to janie, with the blooming flowers and the insects mating and everything. 8) joe is janies idea of true love, in the begining, but then joe begins to get overwhelmed with power, taking advantage of his authority, and joe begins to start to control janie, making her behave a certain way, i kinda thought this made a connection to the yellow mule which is divulged in a latter chapter, chapter 6 i think. |
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Post by Maria Corona on Sept 17, 2012 21:41:28 GMT -5
John, I found your answers to be very similar to mine in comparison. You hit the nail on the head when you also thought that Janie is prone to bad luck. I think you did a great job in answering your questions.
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Post by Maria Corona on Sept 17, 2012 22:21:46 GMT -5
1. Through the story, when it comes to Janie and word of mouth, all that is heard is about her unfortunates in life. She goes through a couple publicized struggles when it comes to her love life. She is identified as a female with horrible luck.
2. I believe Hurston is basing Janie's story on real life situations, in this case situations she has personally surpassed.
3. Nanny's pushing of Janie to marry is out of concern, Nanny does not anticipate for Janie to go through the same struggles she did. She wants to help her take a back road through this and avoid the struggles that she encountered.
4. I anticipated the blacks would have agreed on her generalizations and used them to prove points. The struggle was real and they could have used some situations to add as back up.
5. Janie being known as the girl with horrible luck parallels this by showing that she did not have a simple carefree life and that she too had her share of struggles. While her grandmother's sole concern was her granddaughters life choices, not her happiness.
6. I feel like the tone Janie presents through the first four chapters is naive. She's neither concerned for herself as her grandmother seems to care enough for her for about ten decades or others as she really didn't care. She sort of just goes with the flow, and follows her grandma's choices.
7. I haven't come across an element that sets the tone. It all blends well, nothing stands out yet.
8. Joe to Janie would be the only set thing in her life she knows, the only thing she knows is certain. He is her rock.
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Post by Crystal Ruiz on Sept 17, 2012 23:28:36 GMT -5
I agree with many of the responses that the class had to make and helped me get a better understanding on some of the questions that I felt weren't to strong. John, I really put into thought your explanation of the tone because it had a similar response as mine. When you explained the somber at the pear tree, I thought it was a good analysis you made because you can see it in the reading by her thoughts. You had some well thought out responses.
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Post by john petree on Sept 17, 2012 23:49:01 GMT -5
thank you crystal, and it was a pear tree ok thanks, wasnt to sure. and zack, i thought ur opinion on why the white people support this book was very insightful
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Post by Janelle Castillo on Sept 18, 2012 1:18:05 GMT -5
1. you can conclude that Jaine has been a scandalous topic to the gossiping ladies and that she has run off to marry another man after her husband passed. you can tell that during this period woman wouldn't normally be seen in overalls so this shows that Jaine is more independent and unconcerned about the views of others. also that she is not as social as the other woman and doesn't engage in their gossip or bother to correct their misconceptions of her relationship with the younger man.
2.Hurston created a setting that was more familiar to her which raises the possibility of this novel being based on personal experiences
3. Hurston reveals the motivation by having nanny tell the story of what happened to her daughter and how she has done all she can in hopes that things will work out better for Jaine. the motivation is pure because as a mother she only wanted what was best for her daughter and since she couldn't help her daughter she wants to do what she can to help and protect her granddaughter.
4. fellow black contemporaries could have been offended as to how hurston portrayed them in this novel. the novel portrays history perfectly but the neighbors in the beginning were portrayed as
gossiping women while the grandmother was more concerned about having the granddaughter marry for money than for love. perhaps they didn't understand as to why she would not portray them in a better light (im unsure of what the question is this is just my best shot)
5. the parallel is when as a child she is treated better by the white children than the other black children at school. this is because being raised around white children she was given nicer things that made the other children in her school jealous.
6. Jaine's tone is saddened. she is constantly looking for more although she is never sure what exactly she is looking for. she is aware she is missing something and is saddened by the hardships shes had to face.
7. the tree plays a role is Jaine's tone because it represents the love and relationship she longs to have and although her grandmother forced her into a marriage she still longs to find that love that she once wanted as a child.
8. joe starks represents the pear tree. he is freedom and hope. he is the promise and hope of the love she has always wanted.
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Post by Janelle Castillo on Sept 18, 2012 1:24:01 GMT -5
i really liked your responses, you didn't carry out the answers you just answered the question and moved on. you seemed to have read and understood what was happening in the book. you had your opinions on the characters and stuck with them. great job
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Post by jmahurien on Sept 18, 2012 1:47:22 GMT -5
@janelle
I liked your reason on why she she chose Eatonville as the setting, it didn't really even cross my mind that she might be pulling from personal experiences, but after reading your suggestion, it seems quite plausible. I also liked how you compared Joe to the tree, and the tree to the idea of freedom. Overall I think your analysis of how and why Hurston had things as they were was very good.
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Post by isaiah cortez on Sept 18, 2012 10:02:05 GMT -5
@john petree i really found your answers insightful and easy to understand i did have a somewhat hard time following along with the book but your answers made it a lot easier to understand what was going on so far
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and also, janie had a husband who died, and left her alot of money, and apparently the young guy she left off with took that money, which shows that janie might be prone to bad luck in her life.