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Post by Maria Corona on Oct 10, 2012 21:59:14 GMT -5
Should I be the one to call out my uncle or not
Can everyone handle what I am about to expose
Everyone's defenses will be put up.
Or will they join together to take on my uncle.
And will they even be victorious. Ending the rottenness in Denmark
To have unity restored, and no more tension.
Will this kill my people's trust
That their family's are capable of doing the same
I hope not, I should end this corruption
Happiness and stability seems only to exist in dreams now.
For in that far away land anything is possible.
When my uncle is exposed, it may be restored.
It may take a while, because what my Father accomplished was great.
The long living Kingdom that should not have been messed with.
But who would work for that,
I may be wrong, they have gone through worse.
The brokenness of their trust will persuade them to work.
Or will the people turn against everyone.
They are putting up with the drama so far
How is my uncle in power
When all is exposed who will win
If I don't what will be left of me
I would have nothing to live for
Maybe I should run away
I may fall in love with something outside of Denmark
Yet it leaves us vulnerable
So strangers can learn about us
Being alone however does have a scary appeal
So maybe I should stay where I am familiar and comfortable
I may not like it
but it does have it's perks
Denmark isn't so bad after all
I'm freaking myself out of this
But Ophelia, with her stays all my secrets
Dare she to expose them?
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Post by berenicecontreras on Oct 10, 2012 22:32:06 GMT -5
64 the question is , to live or not to live?
65 is life better existing , even if suffering?
66 luck can often work against your favor
67 we can fight or troubles
68 what would that resolve? what would the outcome be? death? or exhaustion?
69 Not that , let's end this to rest.
70 The toll our emotions take can be affected immensely
71 we are affected be our emotions and that should be take into consideration
72 we often desire to sleep or even die!
73 we can get away in our dreams to a better place!
74 what would you dream about if you slept with thought of knowing you can die?
75 when we have shook of the bad thought
76 we must stop and see the lesson of it all
77 that affects the outcome of our troubles
78 who would desire an unhappy life?
79 the cruel man does not realize the consequences of his actions.
80 the consequences of love and laws!
81 the unconcern of those above the power chain
82 who don't experience the pain of their consequences , unlike those who don't deserve it
83 when he can change the outcome.
84 with so many problems , who would be able to deal with them all?
85 to work hard and suffer in a tiring life.
86 but the regret after death can be haunting
87- 88 the place of no return that troubles the mind!
89 which motivates us to be thankful for what we have
90 rather than to gain more confusion.
91 we are all cowards for thinking in this way
92 this makes us want to deal with or previous struggles rather than new ones
93 rather stick to our familiar problems than endure new ones?
94 Our brains and over thinking do make us cowards.
95 and this reflects the decisions we make in life .
96 the importance is diminished and now inactive!
97 The great Ophelia , on my mind ,
98 Let my sins be remembered!
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Post by berenicecontreras on Oct 10, 2012 22:34:55 GMT -5
@mariacorona , i was so confused when translating this , you made me understand this better! Many of your points like
"The long living Kingdom that should not have been messed with.
But who would work for that,
I may be wrong, they have gone through worse." was really good and made me understand it , well done! (:
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Post by zacko on Oct 10, 2012 22:36:11 GMT -5
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Post by carinafelix on Oct 10, 2012 22:57:21 GMT -5
Should I continue on?
A real man would suck it up
And live through the pains and obstacles of life
Or take action against them
By ending this miserable situation,
Death is only an everlasting sleep that will end
This heartache and corruption
*didn’t understand that line?*
I yearn for it! To no longer have to deal with this
And dream of something else. But we can’t forget,
No one knows what may lay ahead,
Once we’ve moved on from this one life
That’s what keeps us living. And motivates us,
To continue searching for the light.
We go through so many things in life
*didn’t get that line either*
The heartbreak of unrequited love,
The ignorance of those in power,
Bad people receiving good things,
When they deserve much worse
Who is burdened,
To struggle with a hard life
But the fear of the unknown,
It encompasses everyone’s thoughts
No one has died and then lived again to tell,
Which forces us to continue living and wondering
Instead of testing uncharted water.
Our minds are our biggest setback,
And we are forced to comply
We cloud our judgement and underestimate ourselves,
We fail to achieve our greatness,
And instead fall into the dull norms of thought,
And lose the lust for life. But wait,
My Ophelia comes - what a beautiful creature, for her,
I wish I could be good.
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Post by carinafelix on Oct 10, 2012 23:10:58 GMT -5
I liked reading yours bc it was so different from what I interpreted the text to mean. My mind immediately trailed to Hamlet's inner conflict. But I do see how he could also be speaking of the external conflicts that he has to deal with.
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Post by mayrapuente on Oct 10, 2012 23:25:51 GMT -5
Should I kill myself? Or should I live?
Is it better to suffer or to end my suffering?
Death is simply like sleeping.
If I died, pain, suffering, and uncertainty would vanish.
Suicide is a great alternate!
But, what will happen in the afterlife?
Wait! Sleep isn't like death.
In fact, the dreams that may come in the sleep of death are intimidating!
Why doesn't everyone end the pain of life by committing suicide?
Is it the uncertainty of the afterlife?
Yeah, that must be the reason why.
I've experienced various miseries;
Love-sickness, arduous diligence, and political oppression.
Why bear those miseries when I can bring myself peace with a knife?
People submit to the suffering of their lives because of the uncertainty.
Oh, they are scared alright. Scared.
People don’t want to go to another state of existence
Because it may be more miserable than the previous one.
The afterlife causes humanity to become afraid
And forbids them from killing themselves.
Lovely Ophelia is approaching - let my sins be remembered.
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Post by mayrapuente on Oct 10, 2012 23:29:13 GMT -5
Carina, I really liked your interpretation!
For one, you and I started off at the same note in the beginning.
So I like yours merely because you are agreeing with me! ;p
But, yours was really in depth and I absolutely loved how you interpreted the last line about Ophelia. I didn't understand it because it seemed as if it was just thrown in there and weird.
But, nice work!
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Post by Maria Corona on Oct 11, 2012 0:10:24 GMT -5
@ Berenice Your focus is on his emotions, I think that plays a very big part because this could easily be shown in either voice or even someone acting it out. It gives a whole new insight to how this could be interpreted by someone else.
@carina I also like how ours are different, it shows me a whole other possibility of how this soliloquy could be interpreted. Where Hamlet is dealing with himself kind of like a person with multiple personalities, I can't remember the exact word for that but yeah, not bipolar but... anyways, that's what I thought of when I read yours. It helps me get an even better understanding. We could even combine both of our translations and come up with something new. lol
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Post by crystalruiz23 on Oct 11, 2012 0:11:58 GMT -5
Should I reveal the truth or keep it within me?
Knowing that no matter what I do, there will always be suffrage in my life.
Through agony and those who will oppose of the truth,
I must suck it up and take action against all who won't listen,
To hope that I can end this horrible truth,
But death is just another way to live in agony within a deep sleep,
And to be awaken no sooner then I wish.
I'm exhausted!
My body is in no longer strong and is coming to its weakness
I feel this urge to end it all and to enter into a deep sleep.
To think freely, but to feel corrupted in the mind at all times.
There is no telling what will become of our lives!
After we get rid of the burden thought,
We must look back and use the lesson we learned,
To give us hope in searching for a new beginning.
No matter what, one must go through troubles,
Even taking in abuse of those who believe are in power,
Being insulted by those who can't learn to love,
And their stubborn ways of power,
But to have to watch those in power get all they wish,
When in reality, they deserve punishment for their cruel acts!
Why can't they admit their wrong doing?
Why carry a burden all their life?
Living day by day, dreading each moment until death will appear.
It will always be in people's mind,
Not knowing the truth hidden after death.
One must continue their life, always having the minds corrupted with wonder,
But to be thankful for what we do have,
And not feel the urge to return into a state of agony.
Our mind is what creates fear,
But we must learn to accept it!
Even though we are given the will to judge ourselves and our thoughts,
We are forced to let this take over our life's decisions.
I must learn to not think of this hate all the time,
But my dear Ophelia, such a thing of beauty,
I promise to only bring good out of all my troubles.
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Post by crystalruiz23 on Oct 11, 2012 0:18:13 GMT -5
Maria Corona, I liked you interpretation. I didn't see this part of the text in that point of view. It made sense the way you put it. Mine was more of the emotion and how Hamlet is dealing with the truth, unlike yours that focuses in Hamlet's plan. You helped me realize that this section can be seen in other perspectives. Good Job!!!
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Post by Juan Jaimez on Oct 11, 2012 1:31:59 GMT -5
To live or die, that is the question
Is it more honorable to mentally suffer
All of these misfortunes and tragedies that have come upon me
Or to give into this depresses abyss
And kill myself. Dying is sleeping, in my eyes
And by "sleeping", we stop thinking
We stop the painful woes and mishaps and grievances
That humans are subject to in life - It's a goal
Sought after. To die and sleep.
And dream while we sleep, but there's the problem:
For what dreams will we experience in the ultimate sleep, death?
What will we see once we are dead?
Here, we must ponder: do we really want to dream these dreams
And the mystery of these dreams is what makes us want to live
Because who would want to undergo all this suffering and pain
The stubborn and ignorant people
The woes of love, life's injustices
The corruption of the government and its unfairness
That the patient man bares.
Even he sometimes finds himself wondering
If it is really worth it,
To curse and despise an unfair life?
But the promise of something after death
A mysterious and unknown new frontier
Puzzles the man
And makes us persevere through life's cruelties
Rather than discover any new ones in the unknown frontier.
So, subconsciously, we are all cowards
And our natural being
Is shadowed and burdened by this mystery
And finds to work itself into our everyday lives
And makes us consider our actions,
Turning them to mere thoughts. But hush
Now, here comes the beautiful Ophelia
May you please pray for me.
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Post by jmahurien on Oct 11, 2012 1:33:13 GMT -5
One trouble, or the other, I cannot choose.
Would it bring peace to my mind to accept
The many misfortunes of such great fortune,
Or would it bring more peace to prepare myself for my many troubles
And, by doing so, finally be finished with them. Should we just say we should die to rid ourselves of these things?
No, not anymore. If we just fall asleep are we saying
That the problems actually go away? This such wishful thinking
Is foolish. Are we just putting these troubles aside,
In hope of better things in our imaginations? Yes that's exactly it,
Because what we would imagine to be the solution,
Whenever we put our troubles to the side,
It should bring us peace. But that's the thing
That causes our troubles to persist.
Because if we do insist on putting aside our troubles, someone must still be effected from it.
Would it be the one who caused the troubles would be effected; the man who thinks it would not effect him;
The ones hurt from love and mistreatment;
The men of power mistreating his subjects, and the ones that feel
Disdained by them;
Does this man who simply puts away his troubles, know who all he's effecting? Who else would bear these troubles;
He that lives his life, would be
Effected by this offset trouble
And would become so distraught from these effects that
He, as all of us, cannot stand. Wouldn't his will
Too force him to wait out his trouble
And move on to something of dreams instead of facing his issue?
This way of thinking makes us weak,
And our ability to work through our troubles, would go away,
And instead will be replaced by our "trouble free" imaginations.
And what good may come out of our native ability of working through our problems,
Will all go away,
And lose all their worth. - But you my fair Ophelia - in your prayers
Remember my troubles, so I too may cast them aside.
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Post by Juan Jaimez on Oct 11, 2012 1:35:42 GMT -5
Should I reveal the truth or keep it within me? Knowing that no matter what I do, there will always be suffrage in my life. Through agony and those who will oppose of the truth, I must suck it up and take action against all who won't listen, To hope that I can end this horrible truth, But death is just another way to live in agony within a deep sleep, And to be awaken no sooner then I wish. I'm exhausted! My body is in no longer strong and is coming to its weakness I feel this urge to end it all and to enter into a deep sleep. To think freely, but to feel corrupted in the mind at all times. There is no telling what will become of our lives! After we get rid of the burden thought, We must look back and use the lesson we learned, To give us hope in searching for a new beginning. No matter what, one must go through troubles, Even taking in abuse of those who believe are in power, Being insulted by those who can't learn to love, And their stubborn ways of power, But to have to watch those in power get all they wish, When in reality, they deserve punishment for their cruel acts! Why can't they admit their wrong doing? Why carry a burden all their life? Living day by day, dreading each moment until death will appear. It will always be in people's mind, Not knowing the truth hidden after death. One must continue their life, always having the minds corrupted with wonder, But to be thankful for what we do have, And not feel the urge to return into a state of agony. Our mind is what creates fear, But we must learn to accept it! Even though we are given the will to judge ourselves and our thoughts, We are forced to let this take over our life's decisions. I must learn to not think of this hate all the time, But my dear Ophelia, such a thing of beauty, I promise to only bring good out of all my troubles. Crystal, Superb translation, I got the feeling that you really understood what Hamlet was saying! The first line, the famous "to be or not to be" was interpreted differently between you and I, and I feel that you're interpretation is more accurate than mine. I would like to know about how you got "should I reveal the truth or not" from the text! (: |
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Post by jmahurien on Oct 11, 2012 1:41:24 GMT -5
@juan
I enjoyed your interpretation, because it was far different than mine. It was hard for me to see how you were able to come to your meanings for your lines though, because I had my own mind set on what I thought Hamlet was trying to say in this soliloquy. But now, after re-reading your interpretation and the soliloquy one line at a time with each other, I could see where you're coming from with your interpretation.
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