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Post by zacko on Oct 7, 2012 20:08:59 GMT -5
In translating this soliloquy I was very simple because it seemed like I was deciphering a code from some different language. So obviously King Claudius is speaking of King Hamlet who recently died. He states that while they mourn for the King they have been neglecting they're duties as citizens. Though great King Hamlet is gone his brother Claudius connected by blood will aid the queen in fixing things, although the funeral brings sorry it is balanced by a joyful marriage. Norway's Fortinbras believes that since the recent king is dead an unorganized land will surrender itself. Cornelius and Voltemand are asked to deliver a message exposing Fortinbras' unauthorized declaration.
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Post by zacko on Oct 7, 2012 20:10:26 GMT -5
Wooooooowww.. :-/ wrong one.
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Post by zacko on Oct 7, 2012 20:44:25 GMT -5
Hamlet is obviously furious, his father died less than two months ago and a new king/ step father has inherited the position. He compares King Hamlet to Hyperion one of the great titans who fathered the sun and the moon. Then compares new King Claudius to a lame bootleg goat man, so Hamlet believes Uncle Claudius isn't worth the family name or his mothers hand in marriage. Yet what kind of horrid wife would give herself to a new man in such little time especially to a man who is so different from late King Hamlet. "My father's brother, but no more like my father than I to Hercules"(Pg.31,156-157) mourns Hamlet. Although Hamlet wishes to go on a lyrical frenzy due to his corrupt family and broken heart he must keep his mouth shut.
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Post by zacko on Oct 7, 2012 21:23:13 GMT -5
Berenice your comment is easy to agree with, because it's pretty simple, i'm not criticizing your work and awesome vocabulary, but it's very hard to attack you with feedback on such easily agreeable work. I really want to argue with someone, because "good jobs!" are getting boring and routine. So good job Berenice .
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Post by mayrapuente on Oct 7, 2012 21:26:54 GMT -5
I wish I could kill myself! I wish God had not made suicide a sin! Nothing is of use to me now. Suicide appears better than a life in a painful world! My father has not even been dead for two months! He was an excellent king, Compared to the inhumane beast my mother is now with. I hate constantly reminiscing of my mother’s marriage. It is the direct cause of my pain! Her marriage to Claudius disgusts me! She married him too quickly! Her shoes, which she wore to my father’s funeral, Are still perfectly new, Yet she is already married to another man. Why is my mother not sad anymore? I curse the rapidity of her marriage! She married my uncle, my father’s very own brother. She is advertising incest! Her sinful marriage does nothing, But portray negativity for Denmark, and break my heart. But what’s done is done, And no matter what I say, things cannot change.
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Post by mayrapuente on Oct 7, 2012 21:37:20 GMT -5
Zacko, you question "what kind of horrid wife would give herself to a new man in such little time". But you must also think of a woman's position back in the day. Maybe without a man she would not have been considered royalty or even an individual to be respected.
Or also like in The Princess Diaries 2: Royal Engagement, Mia couldn't become queen unless she married. So maybe, just maybe, Hamlet's mother would be stripped of her title as queen if she did not have a husband.
Just a thought . ;p
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Post by Megan Carazolez on Oct 7, 2012 21:42:18 GMT -5
Hamlet is pissed. His mother, who he adored, protected, loved, and respected, failed him. The women that no matter what, would always be his one and only great mother did, in his mind, did the most disgusting, terrible, unthinkable, unfathomable thing and remarried,, two months after the death of his father Not only did she remarry so shortly after his fathers death, and to make things even more tragic she married his own uncle, he deceased husbands brother. With these actions Hamlet had felt so much pain, betrayal, and heartache that the intensity of these three led him to entertain the idea of him wanting to die so badly, even considering suicide.
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Post by Megan Carazolez on Oct 7, 2012 21:45:23 GMT -5
Mayra, great translation! I'm jealous! Haha! Totallly agree with every bit of you translation! Great job!
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Post by Maria Corona on Oct 7, 2012 23:04:04 GMT -5
He is realizing his vulnerability without his father. How easily he could just vanish. That nothing can live forever. Suicide seems like an easy way out. Objects no longer have meaning to him as they did before. The world has been corrupted. The mess his fathers death created is incomprehensible for even him. Only the bad lives on now. How could things in the kingdom turn so negatively so fast. It has not even been a long period of time for things to corrupt. What is needed is proper ruling. The mother solely thought of herself when marrying so rapidly. Nature will be used to show the corruption Yet, his mother will remained untouched, showing his fathers love Why wouldn't his mother mourn. She could not stand on her own She was so attached to his father but remarried within a month. Let me not think badly of my own mother For she always stood behind my fathers decisions. She showed emotions, as strong as she seemed What has corrupted my mother. His fathers brother became his father but was still nothing to him The month period of time was too too short, they should have waited longer. Yet, no one but I mourned after the marriage. Could no longer show emotions, they meant nothing. The choices have been made. There is no point in talking because nothing will change.
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Post by Maria Corona on Oct 7, 2012 23:10:09 GMT -5
Hamlet is pissed. His mother, who he adored, protected, loved, and respected, failed him. The women that no matter what, would always be his one and only great mother did, in his mind, did the most disgusting, terrible, unthinkable, unfathomable thing and remarried,, two months after the death of his father Not only did she remarry so shortly after his fathers death, and to make things even more tragic she married his own uncle, he deceased husbands brother. With these actions Hamlet had felt so much pain, betrayal, and heartache that the intensity of these three led him to entertain the idea of him wanting to die so badly, even considering suicide. Meg, I agree with your statement that Hamlet was devastated that his mother remarried so quickly, but in the day of the monarchies, the ruling had to stay within the family because they shared "royal blood" so it was even common for cousins to marry cousins. I feel if Hamlet's mother would have waited a little longer it wouldn't have the same effect. I mean, I would still be freaked out by it but what has to be done has to be done.
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Post by Crystal Ruiz on Oct 7, 2012 23:36:29 GMT -5
Hamlet, angered because of the position he was put in, reveals that he can not trust nor really respect his mother as before. Even though he hold his tongue, he will always feel the urge to speak what is in his mind. Any person will feel a frustration upon their mother if they were to find out that she married their uncle just two months after their fathers death. It is seen selfish in a way because it shows the mother is not able to tend for herself but to latch on to someone who will support her. Hamlet has all the right to be angered at his inconsiderate mother as well as the stepfather because they do not seem to respect Hamlet's father. He looks upon God for answers but realizes that there is no use because the decisions have been made. All he could do now is accept what has been done and hide his true reactions deep inside him even if it breaks his heart.
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Post by berenicecontreras on Oct 7, 2012 23:39:21 GMT -5
133 I cannot deal with this! 134 I wish I were no longer alive. 135 Or that suicide was not a sin! 136 I cannot betray god! 137 how bad and unfair this misery is. 138 this world is pointless to me! 139 the world is a mess 140 very disgusting and without any happiness left 141 How could this happen? he would not be happy 142 not even two months since his death! 143 he was such a great king. 144 From good to evil , he had great respect and love for his mother 145 he protected her from anything even a breeze from heaven 146 or any object on earth 147 why do i torture myself with memories? She was so in love with him 148 her love had only grew as their time increased 149 yet that wasn't enough to mourn over longer than a month! 151 That was nothing special to her as he was replaced 152 she was deceiving with her fake mourns at first. 153 her mourns did not last long enough! 154 even an animal wold have a bigger heart and mourned for a longer time than her! 155-156 but she married my uncle instead. 157 To my father's brother! But he was not my father 158 He like Hercules and I , nothing. 159 Her tears were insincere 160 Her fake tears even left her eyes swollen. 161-162 she moved on so fast! to a terrible marriage , only to destroy her image. 163 This will not end up well 164 Despite what i think , nothing will change.
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Post by Crystal Ruiz on Oct 7, 2012 23:41:36 GMT -5
Mayra and Maria, I like how creative you guys got with this sections. You two went beyond what was asked and did a great job analyzing each feeling and response Hamlet had made. So good job in going into detail in how Hamlet felt in that moment of despair.
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Post by berenicecontreras on Oct 7, 2012 23:44:02 GMT -5
@mariacorona I really like your translation! great job , really made me think! I always think bad of a character and focus on the negative but when you stated "Let me not think badly of my own mother For she always stood behind my fathers decisions. She showed emotions, as strong as she seemed What has corrupted my mother?" it really made me see that! I just had a negative view on her and I focused on that through the reading , but i completely see hat you said. (:
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Post by jmahurien on Oct 8, 2012 0:13:57 GMT -5
AH! How I wish their evilness would go away And mix in with the rest of the dirt, Or that God Would allow me to kill myself. Everything in this world Is useless! This whole whole mess is ridiculous! I cannot even believe That it should come to this! After two, only two short miserable months, The greatest man on earth, A kindhearted, faithful man That my own mother wouldn't Even think of him?! Am I the only one mourning here?! I thought My mother loved him! But only a month later (It's too despicable to think of; women are helpless) I mean only a couple of days ago She was following my father's dead body While crying her eyes out, why would she, (On second thought, one who was genuinley sad Would have cried more) would hook up with my uncle?! For God's sake! It's her dead husbands brother! He is not my father though, I hardly even or wish to know him. But the tears of a liar, Quickly left her crocodile teared eyes. She actually remarried, without even thinking of my father, Just to be with my uncle. This will not end well for anyone. But I must stay quiet, no matter how much this hurts me.
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