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Post by berenicecontreras on Oct 20, 2012 22:58:05 GMT -5
So something i didn't really understand was the commitment to religion Hamlet continued to express though out the play although he still had everything to give up on. He obviously was not happy since society and his life was full of hypocrisy. His father was dead , his mother committed incest, but still holds back from killing himself because it's a sin? His devastation in life was very clear, why did Shakespeare make religion a main aspect in his life? I wonder what kept him from committing a sin, although everything he believed in had proven him wrong or betrayed him!
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Post by john petree on Oct 21, 2012 4:13:11 GMT -5
ok bro, i got a theory. people grow up being told that being gay is bad, a sin, so even though someone might actually be gay inside, he dont do it because of the beliefs he grew up with, thus the same situation goes for suicide. or maybe something else could be: remember in Their Eyes Were Watching God when those one guys were having a debate over is it nature or experience or something that keeps someone from touching a burning hot stove? well maybe suicide is Hamlets stove, and he knows from nature that he shouldnt be doing this, or learn from experience that this is wrong. what im trying to say is that he wants to off himself, but he knows he shouldnt. say theres a kid getting the crap beat out of him by his mum or pa, and that kids life obviously sucks, so he cuts, but then there could be another bro in the same situation who doesnt cut or kill themselves, just depends on the person
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Post by zacko on Oct 21, 2012 12:38:10 GMT -5
I believe their are religious beliefs that are more significant to ourselves than others for instance I feel like it's out of proportion to say God's name in vain, I myself feel horrible if I or anyone else says it, but as for Hamlet he believes killing himself is a big "no-no" and killing someone else is totally OK. Honestly Hamlet is some whacked out dude I don't understand his logic.
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Post by mayrapuente on Oct 21, 2012 21:35:42 GMT -5
Well, as for Shakespeare, Hamlet was created to be a religious character so that the audience was always on their feet. If you think about it, we were always wondering oh my gosh when is he going to kill himself!? Or, when is he going to kill Claudius! So obviously, Shakespeare wanted to keep us entertained as we continued reading the play.
As for Hamlet, I think he did not kill himself for the fact that he saw how terribly corrupted his community was. He probably saw how sinful everyone was and did not want to be a part of that. Plus, I agree with John. You determine what is right and wrong from what you are told as a child. So, possibly his parents or other elders had engraved the fact that suicide was a sin and that it should not be done.
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Post by Maria Corona on Oct 22, 2012 22:45:36 GMT -5
When it comes to religion everyone is going to probably base their theory's on some part of their religion, I myself being a practicing Catholic, stop in the middle of church sometimes, look around, and wonder if any of these people even know what they are doing or if they just come because they feel obligated. Even though sometimes I don't understand what is going on, I always look to my parents to help. Growing up in a Catholic home I was given some.. let's say rules. The main one being that you just have to deal with whatever you come across in life because God, knows what he is doing. "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" Jeremiah 1:5 is often used as backup. I got from Hamlet that he was very close with his parents and respected his father a lot, due to his devastation of his mothers actions, religion being very important during this time, it was most likely enforced. Therefore committing suicide was out of the question. There however is no rule that you could not think about it. Hamlet reminds me of the outcast at school who always beats himself up and wasn't big on sharing any of his feelings, yet he cares too much about everything else that's going on that he cannot fully stay away. And now that his father is gone, and his mother violated some of the biggest rules he is even more lost.
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Post by crystalruiz23 on Oct 24, 2012 21:46:46 GMT -5
Religious values have always been a huge part of people culture and in Hamlet, Shakespeare does present this value through his character. When one is true to their faith, they follow their religious values because that is what they truly believe. Hamlet speaks of dying because that is what his mind is running at that moment but he knows it wrong to even come to that thought. Even though he kills himself at the end, he does it because he knows the world he is living in is filled with sinners and he feels its the only way out of this burden. In the end, he kept to his religious values until he couldn't help killing himself. It all depends on the person as well as how the character is portrayed. Hamlet was seen with religious values, most of the time.
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Post by carinafelix on Oct 25, 2012 1:10:27 GMT -5
Okay so i don't really believe the whole he didn't kill himself because he was religious BS.
He didn't kill himself because he was a coward. Actually a coward would probably kill himself because he was afraid of life; Hamlet was worse, he was also afraid of death.
He wasn't going to kill himself, I honestly believe that he wanted to live. He said he was going to kill himself because he feels sorry for himself and wants everyone to feel bad also. He wants the attention. He wanted everyone to be like oh man, we could have helped him @ his funeral.
He's a wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimp.
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Post by Megan Carazolez on Oct 28, 2012 14:54:26 GMT -5
By Hamlet killing himself he would only be equally as bad as his mother and his uncle. Hamlet was better than that, he was raised better than that by his Father King Hamlet, at least that how Shakes wanted to depict it in the play.
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