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Post by Megan Carazolez on Nov 7, 2012 22:35:24 GMT -5
Othello was a guy that just wanted happiness, right? Whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with wanting to love and to be loved? Don't we all want that? I guess I was thinking about this pretty hard and felt that maybe some dark point that Shakespeare was trying to make was that, we cant have true happiness. Maybe it doesn't exist, or before it can exist there is going to be someone who will get in the way of its existence. Shakespeare's literature seems to stand strong through the test of time, maybe his work is pretty old, some feel like it may be outdated, but on the contrary it is very up to date. The subjects of which he writes about never get old or die out, there will always be jealous people who cannot stand to see others happy, like Iago. There will always be something that you want so badly that you cannot have, Romeo and Juliet. There will always be things that you wish you can change, but you know deep down inside that they will never change, Hamlet. What matters and makes the story is how you deal with the obstacles that are thrown at you, and how you deal with them leads to your up most success or your plunging downfall.
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Post by john petree on Nov 8, 2012 1:46:56 GMT -5
i have met many people on my search for happines, who are also on their own journeys. with each person it is either they have been abused, raped, bullied...etc. so megan ur right, people will always be in our way of happiness. but i have learned that it is up to us if we are going to ALLOW them to be in our way of true happines. so i have to belive that true happines is real. but we just have to look for it in all the wrong places to find it, you will never know happines if u never knew pain, just like hamlet, if he were not to die, he could have had the opportunity to use what has happened and learn from it. also othello, he chose desdemona to get in his way of finding true love, he could have forgave her or left her and moved on, but he chose to let the anger overwhelm him and made himself unhappy by dwelling on the negative.
so once again you are right, we are not so different from the characters in shakespeares plays
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Post by mayrapuente on Nov 10, 2012 20:52:37 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with happiness or love. But, in like most cases, something will always trump you before you get it.. You can't just have it all. Life isn't fair 'member. So, with that said, I think that's what Shakes is trying to say through his plays. Just like his themes of love and jealousy, his concept of struggle is also up to date. Besides, Othello wouldn't have been such a great novel if each character got what she or he wanted!  Shakes needed the concept of struggle in his novel to interest the readers. In the end, he granted some characters happiness and love, but not all of them, just like life. |
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Post by crystalruiz23 on Nov 11, 2012 21:28:46 GMT -5
Nice topic Megs, specially sense everyone has experienced a down fall and well happiness is usually hard to find when you have constant bad situations coming up. Like Othello, he was a good guy who never really deserved being tortured the way he did. In fact, I believe Shakespeare had taken Othello's happiness away to show that not everyone who is entitled to power can maintain a happiness or that eventually tragedy will strike. I do agree with everyone's opinion, especially that if you want to find happiness, you first have to overcome pains. But sometimes, pain can lead to more self destruction. I still wonder why they went after Othello but it just comes to mind that Shakespeare chose him to show how he can easily persuade to lose control and ruin his own happiness. It just the way life works around certain situations and we all will continue to experience this if we don't know howto be in control of our lives. I hope that helped a little.
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Post by berenicecontreras on Nov 12, 2012 20:36:56 GMT -5
I agree a lot with john!
You do have to overcome obstacles in order to reach true happiness.
Everyone has their own definition of happiness and Shakespeare plays demonstrate the variety of different happy's there is! lol
The protestants obviously have a different idea of happiness as they go and sabotage others, basically happiness means something different to everyone.
I understand what you mean by your thought of Shakespeare inferring love and happiness doesn't exist, but i believe he means love and happiness conquers all.
In Romeo and Juliet both lovers stay true to their love until death as do Desdemona and Othello. Although they don't demonstrate it through the entire play, at the end both do stay in love at the endpoints in their life and although they have problems, they eventually overcome their issues and display that true love does exist.
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Post by carinafelix on Nov 13, 2012 0:13:28 GMT -5
I really enjoyed reading all of your thoughts on this snack! I like getting small glimpses into everyone's minds.....
I don't really think that happiness doesn't NOT exist.
I just think that only some people believe that they are truly worthy of it. I think its in your mind & Othello was definitely doubtful of his status in society; his insecurities were plenty and therefore he didn't believe that he deserved to be happy... therefore he wasn't happy in the end.
We only get what we believe we deserve & what we work for.
Just my thoughts :-)
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Shakes needed the concept of struggle in his novel to interest the readers. In the end, he granted some characters happiness and love, but not all of them, just like life.